Pages

12 November 2020

Pumpkin Pie - Tips for a Crisper Crust

Pumpkin Pie - Tips for a Crisper Crust - another solution to the soggy bottom problem / www.delightfulrepast.com

Pumpkin Pie is a year-round favorite of mine that tastes especially good at this time of year. But you're probably thinking, Oh my, not another pumpkin pie recipe—boring! More than a recipe, this post is about something that just might solve a problem for you as it did for me. 

Many pumpkin pies have problems, including the "soggy bottom" problem. I know a well-spiced pumpkin pie tastes pretty good even with a soggy bottom. I've conquered the problem in the past by prebaking the pie shell. But some days I just don't feel like prebaking and cooling a crust before filling and baking the pie. How about you?

Pyrex glass pie plates have been my go-to pie pans for decades and will, I'm sure, continue to be most of the time. But I was on a quest to see if there was a way to make a pumpkin pie with a nice crisp crust without prebaking the pie shell as I did here in my Pumpkin Pie - Gluten-Free or Regular Crust - No Soggy Bottoms post.

The only way I could think of was to bake the pie on a thoroughly preheated pizza stone/steel. And you can't set a cold Pyrex pie plate on a hot pizza stone/steel without risking disaster, so I started checking out all the possibilities and eventually decided to try Fat Daddio's 18-gauge anodized aluminum pie pans.

Pumpkin Pie - Tips for a Crisper Crust - another solution to the soggy bottom problem / www.delightfulrepast.com


I have quite a collection Fat Daddio's anodized aluminum cake and loose-bottomed cheesecake pans and love them. So when I decided it was high time I took another look at metal pie pans, they were on my list. (BTW, this post is not sponsored; I'm just telling you what's new in my kitchen this month.)

But I almost ordered the wrong size because of Fat Daddio's weird way of measuring pie pans. Unlike every other company on the planet, they don't call a pan with a 9-inch top interior diameter a 9-inch pie pan! No, they have to confuse us all by including the flat rim in the measurement, which makes it a 10-inch pie pan to their way of thinking.

Anyway ... had I ordered their 9-inch, I would have gotten an 8-inch pie pan, which would be totally useless to me because I've developed all my recipes for a standard 1.5-inch depth 9-inch top interior diameter pan. So I just wanted to warn you about that. But on to the results of my rigorous research and testing: It worked!

So even if you're happy with another recipe (such as, Perfect Pumpkin Pie - Without Canned Milk), if you're interested in a crispier crust, you'll find the method in the recipe directions below. I imagine it'll work fine with any pastry or pumpkin filling recipe.

Do let me know in the comments what type of pie plate you prefer and what methods you use to avoid soggy bottoms!

Pumpkin Pie - Tips for a Crisper Crust (without prebaking) / www.delightfulrepast.com

If you like it, please Pin it and share it!

Pumpkin Pie


(Makes one 9-inch pie, 8 servings)


The Pastry 


1 1/3 dip-and-sweep cups (6.67 ounces/189 grams) unbleached all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon non-GMO baking powder
1 1/4 sticks (5 ounces/142 grams) unsalted butter, well chilled

2 tablespoons beaten egg from 1 large egg (reserve the rest)
2 tablespoons ice water
1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar
Additional ice water, a teaspoon at a time, if needed

The Filling


2/3 cup (4.67 ounces/132 grams) sugar
1 tablespoon non-GMO cornstarch
1 1/4 teaspoons cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon ginger
1/4 teaspoon allspice
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
3 large eggs
1 15-ounce (425 grams) can pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling) or 1 3/4 cups pumpkin puree

1 12-ounce (355 ml) can evaporated milk

1 In medium bowl, whisk together flour, salt, and baking powder. With coarse grater, grate about 3/4 of the stick of butter into flour bowl. Cut the remaining butter into 1/2-inch cubes. With fingers, quickly work the grated butter into the flour until it looks like coarse crumbs. Add the cubed butter and work it into the crumbs, leaving some pieces the size of small peas.

2 In small bowl, beat together the 2 tablespoons of beaten egg, ice water, and apple cider vinegar. Sprinkle over flour mixture while stirring with large fork. Add a little more water, a teaspoon at a time, if needed.

3 Turn dough out onto a piece of plastic wrap and flatten slightly into a 5-inch round disk with smooth edges; double wrap; refrigerate for one hour or up to four days. May be frozen for up to a month; defrost, wrapped, in the refrigerator.

4 If dough is thoroughly chilled, let it stand at room temperature for 15 minutes before rolling; if it has been refrigerated for just one hour, it will likely be ready to roll. Very lightly butter a 9-inch aluminum pie pan; I usually just run the butter wrapper over it. On lightly floured surface, roll out disk to a 13-inch circle about 1/8 inch thick. Place pastry in pie plate, being careful to not stretch the dough. Leave a 1-inch overhang of dough. Crimp the edge. (Sometimes you need to chill the pastry a bit before crimping.) Flute the edge higher than usual to contain the filling. Using the reserved beaten egg, brush a light even coat of egg wash over the bottom and sides, but not the crimped edge, of the pastry. Save leftover beaten egg to add to the filling. Cover loosely and place in refrigerator for 30 minutes.

5 Meanwhile, in medium bowl (using a 2-quart glass measure makes it easy to pour the filling into the crust), whisk together sugar, cornstarch, salt, and spices. Whisk in the eggs and any leftover beaten egg from the pastry, then the pumpkin, and then the evaporated milk. Let the filling stand at room temperature for 15 minutes or so while you preheat oven to 450F/230C/Gas8 after moving an oven rack to the lowest position.

Lodge Cast Iron Pizza Pan

6a If you have a metal pie pan and a pizza stone/steel (a Lodge cast iron pizza pan fills that role for me), put it on the lowest rack and start preheating the oven as soon as you put the pie shell in the refrigerator for 30 minutes. Just before baking, fill the chilled pie shell. Carefully place it on the hot pizza stonePut on a pie crust shield to prevent the edge of the crust from over-browning (or have one standing by in case you see it start overbrowning). Bake for 20 minutes. Reduce temperature to 350F/180C/Gas4. Bake for about 30 to 40 minutes or until knife inserted midway between edge and center comes out clean or until it registers 185F/85C on an instant-read thermometer.  

6b If not using a pizza stone/steel, just before baking, set the thoroughly chilled egg-washed pie shell on a rimmed baking sheet (to catch butter drips) and pour in the filling. Put on a pie crust shield to prevent the edge of the crust from over-browning (or have one standing by in case you see it start overbrowning). Bake for 20 minutes. Reduce temperature to 350F/180C/Gas4. Bake for about 30 to 40 minutes or until knife inserted midway between edge and center comes out clean or until it registers 185F/85C on an instant-read thermometer.

7 Cool on wire rack for 2 hours, then lay a square of wax paper over the top and refrigerate for at least 3 hours. Serve with softly whipped cream. I sweetened and flavored 1 cup of heavy whipping cream with 4 teaspoons of real maple syrup and 1 teaspoon of vanilla extract.

Disclosure: We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon .com and affiliated sites. We are a ThermoWorks affiliate, earning a small commission at no cost to you on purchases made through our links. This helps cover some of the costs of running the blog. Thank you for your support. 

Jean

69 comments:

  1. wow This is a perfect pumpkin pie! Love that thin crisp crust.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Blimey, you had a fight on your hands with those ,"Fat Daddio's 18-gauge anodized aluminum pie pans," Jean.

    But,.....are you having me on Jean, "Fat Daddio?" Really!! Honestly!!

    I have a vision of the sort of television commercials they would do. Us Brits would be falling off our sofas in hysterics. A name like that would come in for some lampooning to say the least. Must pull myself together. Ahem!!
    That pumpkin pie looks superb. Your description is making my mouth water. I like the tips for not having, "a soggy bottom." All the best, Tony

    ReplyDelete
  3. Thanks, Angie. I'm all about the pastry. Make all kinds for different things, and I don't want soggy!

    ReplyDelete
  4. "Blimey" is right, Tony! :D And, yes, that's the name of the company all right. Their cake tins are the best (AND measured as they should be!), and anyone who is into making fancy cakes for parties and weddings would really appreciate them. You should make a pie today!

    ReplyDelete
  5. Looks and sounds yummy! Thanks so much for linking up with me at #AThemedLinkup 33 for Thanksgiving Recipes. Shared.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Visiting again to say thanks so much for linking up with me at my #UnlimitedMonthlyLinkParty 18, open until November 26. Shared again.

    ReplyDelete
  7. Bingo! Flashing lights, penny arcade bells going off! 5 cleavers, 5 cleavers, 5 cleavers! Pumpkin pie and whipped cream garnish – 5 cleavers. Glad to see you ventured into health food in time for Thanksgiving. As for pie plates et al, I eschew aluminum and plastic as much as possible in cooking. I know, I know, lots of contradictory studies. No matter. I’ll stick with my iron supplements vis-à-vis my cast iron skillet, transfer bottled water from plastic to glass, and not leave many sweets around long enough to cross-contaminate from containers.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Thanks so much, Dee, for sharing my post! Happy November!

    ReplyDelete
  9. Thank you, Sully, for the coveted Five Cleavers award! And I, too, look for non-toxic choices, avoiding plastics and aluminum in direct contact with my food. This is why I've always used glass pie plates. But unlike regular aluminum, anodized aluminum is non-reactive, meaning that it doesn’t leach heavy metals into your food. "Anodizing is not a chemical coating, but an environmentally-friendly finishing process containing no extra metals and no dyes, CFCs, PTFEs or PFOAs. It seals the porous surface of aluminum to provide a safe and non-reactive baking surface." But you nailed the key solution with "not leave many sweets around long enough to cross-contaminate from containers." :D

    ReplyDelete
  10. I like both the pumpkin picture and the pumpkin pie recipe.
    The slice on the beautiful plate looks very appealing!

    ReplyDelete
  11. I do like their products. I'm not a pie maker but I enjoy pie from pie bakers!!

    ReplyDelete
  12. Thank you, DUTA! I love blue and white china, and it does go well with orange food.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Thanks, Ellen. My mother loved baking cakes and cookies, and she left the pies and bread to me. But I love it when a friend bakes a pie and shares it with me.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Oh that's interesting...I will try a metal pie plate and I also thing that using leaf lard would help a lot, too. Leaf lard is really a healthful food. But you'd have to look it up. I tried picking some up today, but regular lard was all I could find. I really want the best. Here's to pumpkin pie!

    ReplyDelete
  15. Thank you, Vee. Let me know how the metal pan works for you. My friend makes really good lard crusts, but I haven't used it a lot, even though I know it is a very healthful fat. I just checked the price for organic pastured leaf lard online and it was twice the price of my butter, so I'll probably stick with my organic butter. But when you get your leaf lard, let me know how you liked it.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Not sure if you're aware of this research, but it's enough reason for me to avoid anodized aluminum as well: https://www.yourcookwarehelper.com/cookware-college/healthy-cookware-safe-cookware/is-anodized-aluminum-cookware-considered-safe-cookware/ With stainless steel, you get some nickel leaching, but aluminum is the one which in studies is present in brains after alzhemimers et al.

    ReplyDelete
  17. I usually use Pyrex pie plates, and I'm usually OK with soggy pie bottoms. And when I'm picky about it, I've been prebaking the pie shell. But gotta say, the metal pan idea really does sound interesting. Gotta try that! Thanks.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Thanks, Sully. I'll definitely check that out!

    ReplyDelete
  19. Thanks, KR. Do let me know if you try it. It's fun to experiment!

    ReplyDelete
  20. Just in time, Jean. I just purchased my organic pumpkin for the pie. I don't have a pizza stone and I'm too lazy to get one. Love your painted pumpkin!

    ReplyDelete
  21. Oh, Sue, thank you! I think I like painting pumpkins! I understand if someone doesn't have a pizza stone (or steel or cast iron), but I don't understand your "I'm too lazy to get one"—just click on it and place your Amazon order. It's easy; in fact, it's TOO easy! :D

    ReplyDelete
  22. Not surprisingly, our methods are somewhat similar - though I only use egg white to brush my crusts. I also park back for 10 minutes and then brush it. The heat makes an immediate seal. Great minds, my friend... :) Love your filling recipe, too.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Thanks, David! And I love hearing what other people do. Some people use just the yolk, some (like you) just the white. And, yes, brushing it on after 10 minutes in the oven would definitely make an immediate seal—I'm going to try that next time I do the parbake.

    ReplyDelete
  24. Haha that is very confusing how the company measures the pie pan and good to know :-)
    Love both your photos of pie and painting of the pumpkin!

    ReplyDelete
  25. Tamago, thank you! AND for noticing my little painting!

    ReplyDelete
  26. I can't believe that it's that time of year already! I really like your pumpkin painting. Sometimes a painting makes an ingredient seem so much more appetising than a photograph. I do appreciate the desire to avoid a soggy bottom in a pumpkin pie and your approach sounds just right to me. I don't make many pies these days but, when I do, I use either a very traditional British enamel pie plate or a heavier, French, aluminium dish. Although, for some traditional British pies, a slightly soggy bottom is no bad thing in my opinion.

    ReplyDelete
  27. Thank you, Phil! I'm so glad you think my paintings add something to my posts. I've never used an enameled pie plate, but they're pretty to look at. I'd be inclined to line it with baking parchment so as not to mar it when cutting the pie. I'm very curious as to which pies you rather like with a slightly soggy bottom; do let me know.

    ReplyDelete
  28. Your post is awesome and thanks so much for sharing it with us at Full Plate Thursday,510. Hope you are having a great week and come back soon!
    Miz Helen

    ReplyDelete
  29. CONGRATS! Your post is FEATURED at #AThemedLinkup 34 for All Things Christmas from my previous linkup for Thanksgiving Recipes.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Happy to, Victoria! I've been cooking for many years, but I still love to experiment and try to improve.

    ReplyDelete
  31. A lovely pumpkin pie, many thanks for sharing the tips.

    All the best Jan

    ReplyDelete
  32. Thanks, Jan. When I'm making it for just us, I only use 1/3 or even 1/4 cup of sugar.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Wonderful tips - I love pumpkin pie! I've always used a glass pie pan, but now I think I might try the metal. Love your watercolor pumpkin! x K

    ReplyDelete
  34. What a great idea! Thanks for sharing your tips along with your recipe. I'm not much of a baker but I would sure prefer a nice crust to a soggy one. Thanks for stopping by today too. It's nice to "meet" you :)

    ReplyDelete
  35. Thank you, Karen. AND for noticing my little watercolor! If you try the metal pan, do let me know what you thought.

    ReplyDelete
  36. Thank you, Martha! Let me know if you try them out or pass them along to anyone. Nice to "meet" you, too!

    ReplyDelete
  37. I like a deep dish glass pie pan but might switch. I love pumpkin pie and wish I had a slice right now! Have a great day.

    ReplyDelete
  38. Thank you, Liberty. I wish I had a slice right now, too! If you do try the metal pan, let me know how you like it.

    ReplyDelete
  39. Thanks for sharing at the What's for Dinner party! Have a lovely rest of the week.

    ReplyDelete
  40. I use to bake my pies with the pizza stone underneath until it broke, but I use a pizza pan. It does work. Yummm! Pumpkin pie this week.

    ReplyDelete
  41. Thanks, Marilyn. I never get tired of pumpkin pie! That's why I got the cast iron pan, I figured I'd end up with a broken pizza stone.

    ReplyDelete
  42. My favourite pie! And a crust that doesn't get soggy makes for the perfect pie! Thank you for sharing at my party, Jean. Happy Thanksgiving!

    ReplyDelete
  43. Sandi, thanks so much! I'm going to enjoy visiting all the links.

    ReplyDelete
  44. What a beautiful pumpkin pie! It's not my favourite, but I usually make one around Thanksgiving for my family. I always use glass pie plates and rectangular cake pans. I sometimes think I can taste metal when I use my metal round cake pans. Weird. A little pre-bake of the crust, and a brushing with egg are what I use to prevent soggy bottom.

    ReplyDelete
  45. Thanks, Lorrie. I love my Pyrex pie plates and baking dishes, but I've never noticed a metallic taste when I use metal. But you might be extra sensitive to it. My metal pans are anodized aluminum, and I usually line them with parchment paper on the bottom. But the prebaking works really well in the glass pie plate because you can see the color.

    ReplyDelete
  46. Hi Jean,

    I must confess that I'm not a big fan of pumpkin pie (I prefer other pumpkin desserts). But I'm willing to try yours!

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    ReplyDelete
  47. Aaw, thanks, Margie. Not a pie fan in general, or what is it about pumpkin?

    ReplyDelete
  48. Thank you for all your tips, Jean, for getting a crispier crust. Soggy pumpkin pie crust is not a good thing. You always provide us with your tried and true methods! Thank you!

    ReplyDelete
  49. Kitty, you are too kind! Thank you so much! I'm happy to share anything I know or learn.

    ReplyDelete
  50. sorry, but pumpkin is for baking with a roast chicken:-) or in a veg. lasagne, or a risotto. i just can't do the sweet pie thing! Tee hee.

    ReplyDelete
  51. That sounds good, too, Sherry! I think more people here think of pumpkin as a sweet pie thing than as a savory thing, though I like both.

    ReplyDelete
  52. My son used a Pyrex glass pie dish to make quiche but the bottom did not get crisp enough. I like the idea of using the pizza stone and should try that more often :)

    ReplyDelete
  53. Tandy, good to hear from you! Thank you so much. I do love my Pyrex pie plates, but sometimes ...

    ReplyDelete
  54. Love the tips and I do love a good pumpkin pie (so much so that I don't even despair when there's a soggy bottom!

    ReplyDelete
  55. I gotta get me one of those Pyrex pie dishes! I'm really getting into pies this year, they are just so satisfying, aren't they?

    ReplyDelete
  56. Nancy, yes, they are so satisfying. I love pies, sweet or savory, all year round.

    ReplyDelete
  57. I must admit I had never heard of a pie crust shield...I would have loved to get one for my pie baking friend for Christmas.

    Wonderful tips, thank you so much.

    ReplyDelete
  58. Liz, it's such a wonderful thing to have. When I think of all the foil people have wasted and all the burns they've gotten trying to maneuver it on a hot pie ... when all they need is a pie crust shield! Your friend will appreciate it!

    ReplyDelete
  59. Thanks for your buttery pie crust recipe, Jean, as well as for your tips on using an aluminum pie pan etc. to avoid the proverbial "soggy bottom." Your filling recipe sounds delish, too!

    ReplyDelete
  60. Thank you so much, Kim! I hope you'll try them soon and let me know how they turned out for you!

    ReplyDelete

Your comments are most welcome. Note: It may take a while for comments to appear; so do check back.

Note to Spammers: Comments are moderated, so please don't bother to submit your "comment." It will just go straight to the spam file for deletion.

Note to Google+ Bloggers: Just because you don't see a comment from me doesn't me I didn't visit. Many Google+ blogs don't allow me to comment because I'm not a member. It's not commenter friendly!